For everyone who complained about the Live Rear

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura)
06/03/2014 at 12:25 • Filed to: None

I hope you're happy. The new Mustang is now within 100 lbs of the Camaro. I'm not saying its all due to the new IRS, but it definitely didn't help things.

DISCUSSION (57)

spanfucker retire bitch > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:28

There's still no confirmation at all on what the official weight is. And regardless, it's weight well used. There's no excuse for live axle on a new performant vehicle in 2014.

For Sweden > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:29

But the Mustang is finally competitive with sporty European lightweights like the BMW M435i and Audi S5!

*These cars are heavy as shit, and shit's heavy yo.

Party-vi > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:29

1) New Mustang is more powerful

2) New Mustang gets a turbo-variant back

3) 100lb is less than a damn passenger

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:29

but what if you want to go in a straight line... always.

PardonMyFlemish16 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:30

Link to the official weight figures?

And when has the V8 Mustang ever been a light car? Surely not in the last 20 years.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:30

And people said the Camaro was overweight and fat.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:30

hold off your hitching until you see an actual spec sheet.

You should know better than that. Shame on you

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:30

I if was in the market for a new "sports car"on the "cheap" i'd order myself a new stang, over an FR-S or Genisis.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:31

My point was that everyone crucified the Camaro for its weight. But it had an IRS. Basically the new Mustang is following the path that made the Camaro so criticized.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > For Sweden
06/03/2014 at 12:32

Well then the Camaro already has been for years. It has an IRS and was only 100 lbs heavier.

Milky > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:33

There was no excuse for a live axle in 2005 either.

Kinja'd!!!

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PardonMyFlemish16
06/03/2014 at 12:33

I'm going off the front page article. And I'm just saying that theyre doing the same thing that the Camaro got run through the ringer for.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
06/03/2014 at 12:33

Exactly...

dinobot666 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:34

Terrible sightlines were also prevalent in the Camaro. Looks light Ford went for the zero visibility in a heavy, heavy car route as well.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
06/03/2014 at 12:34

I'm just saying man. Unless it held the line or lost weight, then I'm going to count the switch over to IRS a failure. Because it means they could a got down to Vette weights without it.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Party-vi
06/03/2014 at 12:35

I'm just saying man. Every day the Mustang is getting a little more Camaro-esque

Party-vi > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:36

I was told by a Grand-Am and ALMS racer that he preferred racing live axle cars. Unless you've driven a live-axle car and can compare it to a IRS car I'm not sure where you're coming from with your comment.

For Sweden > Party-vi
06/03/2014 at 12:36

4) Implying turbos are a replacement for displacement.

Party-vi > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:36

As long as you can see out of the Mustang it won't be Camaro-esque enough.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:37

The front page article where it was revealed the tuner was pulling numbers out of his ass?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
06/03/2014 at 12:37

The Boss outhandled the M3 with the LRA...

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
06/03/2014 at 12:39

I can't say that I would. For the same price you can get a WRX now.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
06/03/2014 at 12:41

No the one they followed up with last night that has more accurate numbers. If I was going off the Steeda one, it would be 300lbs remember?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:41

AWD sedan=not a sports car. At least not in my option. Sports cars are RWD, and have two doors.

Party-vi > For Sweden
06/03/2014 at 12:43

Kinja'd!!!

5) From 1984 to 1985, they were. In 1986 both the 2.3L turbo and MPFI 302 were rated for 200hp.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > dinobot666
06/03/2014 at 12:44

I know right? Fastback without a hatch. No visibility for no extra functionality.

RazoE > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:44

Yeah, and I hear leaf springs and push-rods have no place in 2014 either. #FutureIsNow

For Sweden > Party-vi
06/03/2014 at 12:44

6) Rated for 200 hp for those willing to wait.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
06/03/2014 at 12:46

Ahh. Well in that's case, you can get a used Corvette for that much. C5 Z06 or early C6. :)

spanfucker retire bitch > Party-vi
06/03/2014 at 12:47

Considering I moved from a live-axle vehicle to one with IRS, I come from a place of knowledge.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:48

you didn't say that here before my comment. You're updating your statement accordingly.

Wait until real stuff before taking conjecture as fact. It's not a wise thing to do in life.

Party-vi > For Sweden
06/03/2014 at 12:48

For what, the turbo to spool or the lazy V8 to finally hit redline?

Party-vi > spanfucker retire bitch
06/03/2014 at 12:49

As do I. Also, the Mustang and Challenger drag cars are still sold with live axles, because IRS is terrible for drag racing, which (let's be honest) is what the Mustang is going to see the most of from light to light.

yamahog > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
06/03/2014 at 12:49

I'm in that market for 2015, leaning more toward Mustang every day. Not a Camaro fan, the Challenger laughs at your silly weight concerns, and I'm generally not interested in foreign cars.

dinobot666 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 12:51

How do you know that for sure?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
06/03/2014 at 12:52

My point though, is that I never complained about the old LRA. I'd much rather had a Mustang with a Live Rear that was closer to 3k lbs. But everyone complained.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > dinobot666
06/03/2014 at 12:53

Vette weighs 3300-3400. Old Mustang weighed 3500. It seems the logical maths.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > yamahog
06/03/2014 at 12:59

I am a foreign car guy, infact is Honda still made an S2000 a Mustang wouldn't even register as an option, but after driving a 2013, and 14 mustang, along with ever other 13/14 Ford I am a believer in Ford, and even Chrysler's new stuff. I can't say the same for GM though.

mr2gud2u > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:13

Maybe its the fat dumb Merican in me, but I don't understand why I should be upset about a little weight if the track times are better and I get more power. Its there a Brit here to explain this for me?

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:20

That's not what I'm seeing in your original comment. And your answer here again is based on rumor. Do you know for sure the weight gain if it even has gained any weight in the new Mustang?

What facts are you basing your weight argument on?

PardonMyFlemish16 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:21

The front page article is an unconfirmed rumor, even with the follow up.

And in any case, what choice does Ford have? They want to move into Europe and Europeans are more demanding with handling and ride quality. Not to mention, we don't even know if it has gained any weight, or what the weight gain is from. I have heard everything from it being the IRS to increased roof strengthening. The wise thing to do would be to wait for confirmed official information before you start crying.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
06/03/2014 at 13:26

I'm going off of Patrick's post late last night that says it will probably be in the 3600lb mark. And I remember reading that in other articles too about the Ecoboost such as C&D's review I think it was.

The fact of the matter is that these guys are usually right. If they weren't as trustworthy as they are, we wouldn't be here.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:30

Define "outhandled" because I know its faster, but more power usually does that.

Besides, its a performance variant of a sporty car, it should out handle it.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:30

so you're saying this is still a rumor....

FYI, all their sources are Steeda Autosport saying it's gonna gain 200lbs. But they don't have a car yet.

None of them have actual definite confirmed numbers yet for weight, power or most of anything else really.

Chteelers > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:31

Where are you figuring that IRS is 100 lbs heavier than a live axle setup? Can you cite specific figures comparing the combined weight of all the rear IRS components balanced against all the live axle components?

Just comparing overall vehicle weight would gloss over a whole lot of other systems that are different from one car to the next.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
06/03/2014 at 13:34

The last Boss didn't have that much more power than the M3. I highly doubt it was all the "extra power". And the best handling version of a pony car should out handle the car that makes every Eurocar fan jizz their pants?

If so, than the M3 really is as disappointing as I've been saying.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 13:43

30hp and 85 lb-ft has got to be noticeable. Not to mention you're not going to notice the LRA on a smooth ass race track, on the road thats a different story.

And I'm not the one who brought up the M3.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky
06/03/2014 at 13:55

Thank you for proving my point. Weight is the enemy of performance. So by adding weight for the IRS, the Mustang is trading performance for comfort. Might as well buy a Challenger or a Camaro at that point.

T5Killer > RazoE
06/03/2014 at 14:20

To bad pushrods are newer tech than OHC.

T5Killer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 14:20

$5 says everyone that complained about the Mustang having a live axle would never buy one anyway.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 14:48

First off its been stated on every site that no one actually weighed a new mustang yet. But even if it does weigh a bit more its trading drag traction for corner traction.

But either way, I was referring to lb-ft of torque, not weight.

EDIT: Also, Matt Farah's words.

(skip to 4:40 if kinja doesn't do it for you)

Axial > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 15:47

People will be people. They crucify the Camaro but not the M5 when both put down impressive numbers, eh. What can you do?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Axial
06/03/2014 at 16:24

No prestige. Don't you know, when a German car is fat, it's quality. When an American car is fat, it's inferior.

PardonMyFlemish16 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/03/2014 at 18:22

Also, the Camaro got run through the ringer for sucking. There are plenty of great 3800lb cars.

wiffleballtony > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
06/04/2014 at 00:10

I'm sure there will be enough extra power in the engine and granite in the suspension to even it all out.

4age20vsilvertop > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
06/04/2014 at 15:02

RWD and 2-Door, you say?

Kinja'd!!!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > 4age20vsilvertop
06/05/2014 at 00:33

exactly